1 00:00:12,370 --> 00:00:09,080 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:22,579 --> 00:00:12,380 from Australia for science and reason 3 00:00:25,349 --> 00:00:22,589 [Music] 4 00:00:28,339 --> 00:00:25,359 hello and welcome to the skeptics own 5 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:28,349 podcast for the twenty second of January 6 00:00:36,049 --> 00:00:32,290 2017 episode number 431 Whichard 7 00:00:40,979 --> 00:00:36,059 saunders here with you from yes still 8 00:00:43,170 --> 00:00:40,989 muggy warm muggy sydney australia now 9 00:00:44,969 --> 00:00:43,180 before I tell you about what's coming up 10 00:00:47,369 --> 00:00:44,979 on this week's episode of the skeptic 11 00:00:50,189 --> 00:00:47,379 zone a little bit of news for 12 00:00:53,609 --> 00:00:50,199 Sydneysiders and especially those people 13 00:00:56,429 --> 00:00:53,619 who love to come to the monthly skeptics 14 00:00:58,439 --> 00:00:56,439 in the pub downtown Sydney well he's a 15 00:00:59,999 --> 00:00:58,449 special announcement the next skeptics 16 00:01:02,490 --> 00:01:00,009 in the pub to be held here in Sydney on 17 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:02,500 the second of februari so a little more 18 00:01:07,980 --> 00:01:05,650 than a week away we'll have a very 19 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:07,990 special guest speaker none other then 20 00:01:13,130 --> 00:01:10,450 Tim Ferguson from the Doug Anthony 21 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:13,140 all-stars and the topic of Tim's talk 22 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:16,090 skeptical sex I'm not sure that's all 23 00:01:21,300 --> 00:01:19,329 about comedian TV star author skeptic 24 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:21,310 and co-director of the recent hit movie 25 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:24,010 spin out Tim Ferguson is also one of 26 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:25,810 Australia's more prominent sufferers of 27 00:01:30,180 --> 00:01:28,510 multiple sclerosis but that hasn't 28 00:01:32,070 --> 00:01:30,190 stopped him traveling the world doing 29 00:01:34,590 --> 00:01:32,080 shows with the Doug Anthony all-stars 30 00:01:37,289 --> 00:01:34,600 and lecturing on comedy in his 31 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:37,299 presentation Tim will look at skeptical 32 00:01:41,899 --> 00:01:39,490 sex and other issues relating to 33 00:01:43,860 --> 00:01:41,909 critical thinking from his point of view 34 00:01:45,870 --> 00:01:43,870 following the talk Tim will be 35 00:01:48,750 --> 00:01:45,880 interviewed by that other Legend of 36 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:48,760 radio TV and podcasting the one and only 37 00:01:53,039 --> 00:01:51,010 may not join us to hear the wit and 38 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:53,049 wisdom of these veterans of Australian 39 00:01:58,289 --> 00:01:55,450 entertainment in an evening of insights 40 00:02:01,140 --> 00:01:58,299 and humor now here's the important thing 41 00:02:05,190 --> 00:02:01,150 if you want to come along and I note the 42 00:02:07,399 --> 00:02:05,200 numbers are almost half full now the the 43 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:07,409 venue is helpful you must register at 44 00:02:17,100 --> 00:02:12,370 wwe.com forward slash aust skeptics 45 00:02:20,220 --> 00:02:17,110 that's a ust skeptics and once the the 46 00:02:23,130 --> 00:02:20,230 list is full well there'll be a waiting 47 00:02:25,140 --> 00:02:23,140 list after that but yeah if you want to 48 00:02:28,949 --> 00:02:25,150 come in your name will be on the list um 49 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:28,959 ticked off at the door so registered now 50 00:02:31,950 --> 00:02:31,329 if you want to come along to hear Tim 51 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:31,960 for 52 00:02:36,540 --> 00:02:34,210 and may nod at Sydney skeptics in the 53 00:02:39,660 --> 00:02:36,550 pub but what's coming up on this week's 54 00:02:42,540 --> 00:02:39,670 episode of the skeptic zone in no 55 00:02:44,550 --> 00:02:42,550 particular order I'm going to mix it up 56 00:02:47,130 --> 00:02:44,560 a bit and no particular order we have an 57 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:47,140 interview with a matt parker in fact one 58 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:49,330 of the interviews our reporter and 59 00:02:54,030 --> 00:02:51,130 president of australian skeptics iran 60 00:02:56,940 --> 00:02:54,040 sir give conducted at QED in manchester 61 00:03:00,510 --> 00:02:56,950 matt parker originally from australia is 62 00:03:03,660 --> 00:03:00,520 now a stand-up comedian and maths 63 00:03:05,580 --> 00:03:03,670 communicator stand-up comedian and maths 64 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:05,590 communicator i'm not sure what that 65 00:03:10,710 --> 00:03:08,290 means i'm not sure what that means find 66 00:03:14,790 --> 00:03:10,720 out later on in the show when I ron cey 67 00:03:16,140 --> 00:03:14,800 give interviews matt parker also in this 68 00:03:19,980 --> 00:03:16,150 week's episode we're going to find out 69 00:03:23,460 --> 00:03:19,990 when people complain to complain to 70 00:03:24,920 --> 00:03:23,470 Australian skeptics in fact we're going 71 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:24,930 to find out what happens when 72 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:27,610 representatives from the National 73 00:03:32,850 --> 00:03:30,250 Institute of complementary medicine 74 00:03:34,890 --> 00:03:32,860 complain to Australian skeptics now they 75 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:34,900 weren't too happy that their institution 76 00:03:41,430 --> 00:03:37,690 was nominated for our annual bent spoon 77 00:03:44,220 --> 00:03:41,440 award hear what our president Iran sir 78 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:44,230 give had to say to them a bit later on 79 00:03:49,740 --> 00:03:46,570 in the show also we have another update 80 00:03:51,780 --> 00:03:49,750 about the situation with homeopathic 81 00:03:55,290 --> 00:03:51,790 veterinary care in the UK an ongoing 82 00:03:57,930 --> 00:03:55,300 story our weekly dose of brouhaha 83 00:04:01,530 --> 00:03:57,940 Australian science from Australia 84 00:04:03,990 --> 00:04:01,540 science TV this week with Ben Lewis news 85 00:04:07,620 --> 00:04:04,000 of a new facebook group here in Sydney 86 00:04:09,750 --> 00:04:07,630 the new social opportunity for skeptics 87 00:04:14,010 --> 00:04:09,760 in Sydney to get together and do samba 88 00:04:16,590 --> 00:04:14,020 well some investigations and some fun 89 00:04:20,430 --> 00:04:16,600 social nights out and also some news 90 00:04:22,710 --> 00:04:20,440 about our old friend friend Yuri yella 91 00:04:26,130 --> 00:04:22,720 well not so much about what he's been up 92 00:04:28,490 --> 00:04:26,140 to these days more news from the distant 93 00:04:31,410 --> 00:04:28,500 past in the early 70s when the CIA 94 00:04:34,470 --> 00:04:31,420 tested uri geller a little bit about 95 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:34,480 that and some of my musings and thoughts 96 00:04:41,820 --> 00:04:38,410 about uri geller and spoon bending what 97 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:41,830 a mixed bag what am what a an eclectic 98 00:04:45,050 --> 00:04:43,570 mix we have this week for you on the 99 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:45,060 skeptics own podcast 100 00:04:48,850 --> 00:04:47,130 in fact it's so much to take in I think 101 00:04:55,750 --> 00:04:48,860 before we start we also run downstairs 102 00:04:58,340 --> 00:04:55,760 make a nice large cup of coffee um 103 00:05:00,140 --> 00:04:58,350 plunger style yeah it's quite nice 104 00:05:03,230 --> 00:05:00,150 plunger style coffee I'll have mine with 105 00:05:05,940 --> 00:05:03,240 a little bit of milk please while we all 106 00:05:28,810 --> 00:05:05,950 do that I hope you enjoy the skeptics 107 00:05:35,390 --> 00:05:32,530 skeptics stand by bent spoon nomination 108 00:05:41,629 --> 00:05:35,400 published on the sixteenth of december 109 00:05:44,510 --> 00:05:41,639 at skeptics com delay you over the past 110 00:05:46,610 --> 00:05:44,520 thirty something years the bent spoon 111 00:05:51,460 --> 00:05:46,620 has become one of Australia's least 112 00:05:55,100 --> 00:05:51,470 coveted awards it is of course by design 113 00:05:57,590 --> 00:05:55,110 award annually to the perpetrator of the 114 00:06:01,100 --> 00:05:57,600 most preposterous piece of paranormal or 115 00:06:03,110 --> 00:06:01,110 pseudo scientific piffle it serves to 116 00:06:07,070 --> 00:06:03,120 highlight particularly egregious 117 00:06:10,159 --> 00:06:07,080 instances of anti-science while we have 118 00:06:12,950 --> 00:06:10,169 had all kinds of winners if you might 119 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:12,960 even say losses over the years we 120 00:06:17,719 --> 00:06:15,450 reserved special scorn for those who 121 00:06:20,270 --> 00:06:17,729 should know better but for whatever 122 00:06:23,380 --> 00:06:20,280 reason failed to do the right thing in 123 00:06:25,790 --> 00:06:23,390 march 2016 the National Institute of 124 00:06:28,730 --> 00:06:25,800 complementary medicine was nominated for 125 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:28,740 the bent spoon here is the nomination as 126 00:06:35,060 --> 00:06:30,810 it appeared on the website at skeptics 127 00:06:38,150 --> 00:06:35,070 com delay you nominees professors Allen 128 00:06:40,460 --> 00:06:38,160 been Susan Gregory cult and Barney 129 00:06:42,710 --> 00:06:40,470 Glover at the National Institute of 130 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:42,720 complementary medicine school of science 131 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:45,530 and health western Sydney University 132 00:06:52,219 --> 00:06:48,690 nominated by frank van de COI on the 133 00:06:55,250 --> 00:06:52,229 third of December 2016 for continuing to 134 00:06:57,770 --> 00:06:55,260 fully support and defend the use of 135 00:07:00,050 --> 00:06:57,780 homeopathy and other unbelievable 136 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:00,060 complementary medicines for ignoring the 137 00:07:04,370 --> 00:07:01,770 detrimental impact that their approach 138 00:07:06,650 --> 00:07:04,380 have on science scientific education and 139 00:07:09,469 --> 00:07:06,660 the general health and well-being of the 140 00:07:11,690 --> 00:07:09,479 australian population on the 141 00:07:13,610 --> 00:07:11,700 twenty-second of november 2016 a few 142 00:07:16,190 --> 00:07:13,620 days before our national convention 143 00:07:19,550 --> 00:07:16,200 where we present our annual awards 144 00:07:22,219 --> 00:07:19,560 australian skeptics inc present iran sir 145 00:07:25,310 --> 00:07:22,229 give received an email from Professor 146 00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:25,320 Alan been suisun it had a letter 147 00:07:29,460 --> 00:07:26,080 attached 148 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:29,470 and requested quote that this letter is 149 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:31,810 treated with strict confidence and only 150 00:07:37,350 --> 00:07:34,330 used for the purposes of removing the 151 00:07:39,899 --> 00:07:37,360 nomination in quote as will become clear 152 00:07:42,869 --> 00:07:39,909 shortly we rejected this request as 153 00:07:45,270 --> 00:07:42,879 being unreasonable and unjustified both 154 00:07:47,490 --> 00:07:45,280 substantively and as the email was 155 00:07:49,409 --> 00:07:47,500 copied to two other parties not directly 156 00:07:51,629 --> 00:07:49,419 related to Australian skeptics Inc 157 00:07:53,459 --> 00:07:51,639 however there were parts of the letter 158 00:07:56,580 --> 00:07:53,469 that we accept should appropriately 159 00:07:59,100 --> 00:07:56,590 remain confidential and we have chosen 160 00:08:01,170 --> 00:07:59,110 to redact to those you can read the 161 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:01,180 letter at the website of a slain skeptic 162 00:08:06,629 --> 00:08:03,490 sync with the link in this week's show 163 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:06,639 notes on the third of December a few 164 00:08:11,309 --> 00:08:08,889 days after the convention Iran Segev 165 00:08:15,089 --> 00:08:11,319 sent the following email to Professor 166 00:08:18,149 --> 00:08:15,099 been Susan dear professor Ben Susan 167 00:08:20,369 --> 00:08:18,159 thanks for your email and letter at the 168 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:20,379 convention this weekend we have 169 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:22,690 announced the quote winner end quote of 170 00:08:27,379 --> 00:08:24,969 the bent spoon for this year and I'm 171 00:08:32,430 --> 00:08:27,389 sure you'll be pleased to know that n 172 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:32,440 ICM was spared the nominations for 2016 173 00:08:36,899 --> 00:08:34,570 have now been removed from our website I 174 00:08:40,409 --> 00:08:36,909 wish to use this opportunity to express 175 00:08:44,670 --> 00:08:40,419 my ongoing concern over the uncritical 176 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:44,680 way in ICM presents information that is 177 00:08:51,210 --> 00:08:48,250 at the minimum dubious the easiest 178 00:08:55,019 --> 00:08:51,220 example is the definition provided under 179 00:08:57,150 --> 00:08:55,029 quote energy medicine end quote simply 180 00:08:59,790 --> 00:08:57,160 using the biologically meaningless terms 181 00:09:02,730 --> 00:08:59,800 quote energy fields in quote end quote 182 00:09:05,189 --> 00:09:02,740 bio fields end quote puts you in the 183 00:09:08,100 --> 00:09:05,199 same category as some of the worst 184 00:09:10,259 --> 00:09:08,110 cranks in alternative medicine as a 185 00:09:13,650 --> 00:09:10,269 minimum i would have expected something 186 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:13,660 like quote it is claimed end quote 187 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:15,970 followed by other qualifications that 188 00:09:22,079 --> 00:09:19,930 make it clear that in ICM does not 189 00:09:25,259 --> 00:09:22,089 subscribe to these unscientific 190 00:09:27,449 --> 00:09:25,269 definitions now unfortunately a review 191 00:09:31,079 --> 00:09:27,459 of your site suggests that you'll claim 192 00:09:32,730 --> 00:09:31,089 that you quote dot dot do not defend the 193 00:09:35,220 --> 00:09:32,740 use of any complementary medicine 194 00:09:37,650 --> 00:09:35,230 unsupported by evidence end quote is 195 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:37,660 false while you did not win the bent 196 00:09:41,579 --> 00:09:39,730 spoon this year I read 197 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:41,589 to your suggestion that the nomination 198 00:09:45,870 --> 00:09:44,410 was undeserved investigating 199 00:09:48,329 --> 00:09:45,880 complementary medicine in a 200 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:48,339 scientifically rigorous manner is a 201 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:51,730 credible scientific pursuit promoting it 202 00:09:58,710 --> 00:09:54,370 with weak or non scientific evidence as 203 00:10:00,660 --> 00:09:58,720 ni cm often does is not I wouldn't be 204 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:00,670 surprised to see more bent spoon 205 00:10:05,850 --> 00:10:03,250 nominations for your organization as you 206 00:10:08,100 --> 00:10:05,860 continue your uncritical support for 207 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:08,110 implausible and evidence free treatment 208 00:10:14,850 --> 00:10:11,050 modalities in your response to the NH 209 00:10:17,250 --> 00:10:14,860 and MRC review you ignored the magical 210 00:10:19,470 --> 00:10:17,260 pre-scientific notions that underpin 211 00:10:22,379 --> 00:10:19,480 homeopathy and its complete lack of 212 00:10:24,629 --> 00:10:22,389 plausibility producing a statement which 213 00:10:27,210 --> 00:10:24,639 makes it look very much like you think 214 00:10:30,090 --> 00:10:27,220 this modality has some credibility yet 215 00:10:32,699 --> 00:10:30,100 to be proven the same approach permeates 216 00:10:36,750 --> 00:10:32,709 your site no criticism have any 217 00:10:39,509 --> 00:10:36,760 alternatives to medicine in sight even 218 00:10:41,810 --> 00:10:39,519 your warnings are merely mouthed saying 219 00:10:44,670 --> 00:10:41,820 quote serious forms the disease 220 00:10:46,860 --> 00:10:44,680 conditions and disorders should not be 221 00:10:49,650 --> 00:10:46,870 diagnosed or treated without first 222 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:49,660 consulting a suitably qualified health 223 00:10:53,579 --> 00:10:51,610 care professional end quote is not 224 00:10:55,980 --> 00:10:53,589 nearly good enough when what any 225 00:10:59,910 --> 00:10:55,990 reasonable organization would say is 226 00:11:02,220 --> 00:10:59,920 quote go see your doctor end quote to 227 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:02,230 make sure no one sees a naturopath for a 228 00:11:08,639 --> 00:11:06,250 serious condition I also note that n ICM 229 00:11:10,949 --> 00:11:08,649 is being sponsored by the Jacka 230 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:10,959 foundation an organization so on 231 00:11:14,309 --> 00:11:12,850 critical of alternatives to medicine 232 00:11:17,220 --> 00:11:14,319 that it links to notorious 233 00:11:20,309 --> 00:11:17,230 anti-vaccination activists as sources of 234 00:11:22,259 --> 00:11:20,319 information I hope this will serve as a 235 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:22,269 bit of a reminder of the need for 236 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:24,250 scientific thinking to replace the 237 00:11:29,189 --> 00:11:26,290 unwavering support of complementary 238 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:29,199 medicine in all its forms which seems to 239 00:11:36,389 --> 00:11:33,970 inflict ni CM sincerely Iran sir give 240 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:36,399 President Australian skeptics inc and 241 00:11:42,980 --> 00:11:39,130 now we have the reply from Professor 242 00:11:46,319 --> 00:11:42,990 Alan been Susan on the theft of December 243 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:46,329 dear Iran thank you for your updated 244 00:11:50,460 --> 00:11:48,610 note and thoughts we are intending to 245 00:11:52,410 --> 00:11:50,470 revise our website over the summer and 246 00:11:52,750 --> 00:11:52,420 hope to address some of the issues you 247 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:52,760 have 248 00:11:57,580 --> 00:11:54,890 raised however I don't agree with 249 00:12:01,750 --> 00:11:57,590 everything you say and your language is 250 00:12:06,010 --> 00:12:01,760 in places unnecessarily offensive kind 251 00:12:08,100 --> 00:12:06,020 regards Alan and finally here's Iran's 252 00:12:11,410 --> 00:12:08,110 message on the fifth of the December 253 00:12:13,870 --> 00:12:11,420 dear professor ben Susan we at 254 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:13,880 Australian skeptics are encouraged by 255 00:12:18,700 --> 00:12:16,130 the news that you intend to revise the 256 00:12:20,980 --> 00:12:18,710 website and look forward to seeing a 257 00:12:24,220 --> 00:12:20,990 more measured attitude to the evidence 258 00:12:27,750 --> 00:12:24,230 nor lack thereof of various cm 259 00:12:30,970 --> 00:12:27,760 modalities however until such time as an 260 00:12:33,700 --> 00:12:30,980 ICM has clearly made a shift in its 261 00:12:36,580 --> 00:12:33,710 approach we will continue to keep a 262 00:12:38,710 --> 00:12:36,590 skeptical eye over the Institute and its 263 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:38,720 publications and make public our 264 00:12:44,050 --> 00:12:41,090 criticism of the Institute where we feel 265 00:12:46,300 --> 00:12:44,060 it's appropriate specifically we refer 266 00:12:50,110 --> 00:12:46,310 to your letter dated 22nd in November 267 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:50,120 2016 which we noted was headed quote 268 00:12:55,750 --> 00:12:53,210 strictly confidential and quote we 269 00:12:58,720 --> 00:12:55,760 suggest that this was inappropriate and 270 00:13:01,360 --> 00:12:58,730 we are entitled to republish your letter 271 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:01,370 if we wish your letter requested us to 272 00:13:05,590 --> 00:13:03,530 remove text from our publicly available 273 00:13:07,390 --> 00:13:05,600 website there was no confidential 274 00:13:09,580 --> 00:13:07,400 information in the letter which you are 275 00:13:11,910 --> 00:13:09,590 entitled to protect from public 276 00:13:15,220 --> 00:13:11,920 disclosure as part of our ongoing 277 00:13:17,770 --> 00:13:15,230 investigations of CAM complementary and 278 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:17,780 alternative medicine we consider that it 279 00:13:23,650 --> 00:13:20,570 is in the public interest to republish 280 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:23,660 the nomination your letter and our 281 00:13:27,910 --> 00:13:25,850 response dated third and december 2016 282 00:13:30,130 --> 00:13:27,920 we also give you the opportunity to 283 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:30,140 respond and we will publish that 284 00:13:36,550 --> 00:13:33,290 assuming it is inappropriate terms and 285 00:13:38,500 --> 00:13:36,560 not excessive in length if you wish to 286 00:13:41,290 --> 00:13:38,510 take advantage of our offer please 287 00:13:44,290 --> 00:13:41,300 respond by 5 p.m. friday the 9th or 288 00:13:46,870 --> 00:13:44,300 december 2016 sincerely I Rancic f 289 00:13:49,300 --> 00:13:46,880 president Australian skeptics Inc to 290 00:13:52,150 --> 00:13:49,310 date no response has been received to 291 00:13:55,930 --> 00:13:52,160 this last message we sincerely hope that 292 00:13:58,030 --> 00:13:55,940 n ICM will change its ways but if past 293 00:14:02,079 --> 00:13:58,040 behavior is the best predictor of future 294 00:14:05,739 --> 00:14:02,089 behavior we remain skeptical 295 00:14:08,710 --> 00:14:05,749 and that story plus the accompanying 296 00:14:23,860 --> 00:14:08,720 letters can be found at skeptics calm 297 00:14:26,230 --> 00:14:23,870 day you greetings listeners it's me 298 00:14:28,629 --> 00:14:26,240 captain disillusion on my youtube 299 00:14:31,210 --> 00:14:28,639 channel called captain disillusion aye 300 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:31,220 captain disillusion analyzed viral 301 00:14:35,619 --> 00:14:33,290 videos of the strange and unbelievable I 302 00:14:38,259 --> 00:14:35,629 explain how interframe video compression 303 00:14:40,389 --> 00:14:38,269 3d motion tracking and stock the effects 304 00:14:42,519 --> 00:14:40,399 elements prove that Justin Bieber is not 305 00:14:44,199 --> 00:14:42,529 a secret reptilian alien that those 306 00:14:46,420 --> 00:14:44,209 videos of ghost cars are just 307 00:14:48,220 --> 00:14:46,430 unintentional optical illusions and that 308 00:14:49,809 --> 00:14:48,230 lightning did not strike a few feet away 309 00:14:52,689 --> 00:14:49,819 from a girl on a beach as we saw on the 310 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attention 324 00:15:47,559 --> 00:15:44,660 by telegraph telegraph co uk how you 325 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:47,569 regular convinced the CIA he was a 326 00:15:55,119 --> 00:15:51,290 psychic warrior an article by nick allen 327 00:15:57,419 --> 00:15:55,129 in Washington states that decades uri 328 00:15:59,919 --> 00:15:57,429 geller a man famous for allegedly 329 00:16:02,230 --> 00:15:59,929 bending cutlery with his mind on UK 330 00:16:03,699 --> 00:16:02,240 television and around the world was 331 00:16:07,449 --> 00:16:03,709 mocked over his claims to have 332 00:16:10,869 --> 00:16:07,459 paranormal powers yes he was he still is 333 00:16:14,079 --> 00:16:10,879 by the way he was well he was mocked at 334 00:16:17,559 --> 00:16:14,089 the time but by and large he was 335 00:16:20,259 --> 00:16:17,569 believed especially by large waves of 336 00:16:22,689 --> 00:16:20,269 the media the story goes on but while 337 00:16:25,150 --> 00:16:22,699 the British public were always skeptical 338 00:16:27,460 --> 00:16:25,160 well I wouldn't say that I'd say a large 339 00:16:29,819 --> 00:16:27,470 proportion of the British public in here 340 00:16:32,470 --> 00:16:29,829 in Australia two weren't skeptical 341 00:16:35,590 --> 00:16:32,480 anyway goes on to say it's transpired 342 00:16:37,419 --> 00:16:35,600 that none other than the CIA believed 343 00:16:41,889 --> 00:16:37,429 that the spoon bender was psychic all 344 00:16:44,199 --> 00:16:41,899 along now this story is a very 345 00:16:47,410 --> 00:16:44,209 interesting to skeptics for a number of 346 00:16:50,169 --> 00:16:47,420 reasons if you've seen the movie 347 00:16:52,210 --> 00:16:50,179 starring george clooney and ewan 348 00:16:54,579 --> 00:16:52,220 mcgregor the men who stare at goats sort 349 00:16:57,869 --> 00:16:54,589 of based on this whole idea that in the 350 00:17:00,759 --> 00:16:57,879 early 70s the CIA and probably the 351 00:17:05,049 --> 00:17:00,769 Russians to probably the KGB and other 352 00:17:07,689 --> 00:17:05,059 agencies really did think people possess 353 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:07,699 psychic powers and it's not too 354 00:17:14,019 --> 00:17:10,730 surprising it's not far-fetched at all 355 00:17:16,269 --> 00:17:14,029 because at the time and those who live 356 00:17:18,970 --> 00:17:16,279 to it will remember very well this thing 357 00:17:21,549 --> 00:17:18,980 was all all the rage it was very popular 358 00:17:25,689 --> 00:17:21,559 it was all exciting and new and daring 359 00:17:27,579 --> 00:17:25,699 and reports were getting through and we 360 00:17:30,430 --> 00:17:27,589 see people like uri geller on TV 361 00:17:32,470 --> 00:17:30,440 apparently using psychic powers to do 362 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:32,480 all sorts of things and in that year of 363 00:17:38,980 --> 00:17:34,010 the Cold War you could well imagine that 364 00:17:42,279 --> 00:17:38,990 both sides were very keen very keen to 365 00:17:45,130 --> 00:17:42,289 exploit any any possible advantage over 366 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:45,140 the other side and that meant looking 367 00:17:49,870 --> 00:17:47,690 into a lot of what we would now realize 368 00:17:54,460 --> 00:17:49,880 is nonsense but at the time enough 369 00:17:56,529 --> 00:17:54,470 people were unscathed enough to invest 370 00:17:59,700 --> 00:17:56,539 an awful lot of time and money into 371 00:18:02,409 --> 00:17:59,710 investigating these things and naturally 372 00:18:04,659 --> 00:18:02,419 they would investigate the the most 373 00:18:07,330 --> 00:18:04,669 high-profile so-called sahi at the time 374 00:18:09,130 --> 00:18:07,340 that being irregular now eventually this 375 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:09,140 played beautifully indira galas hands 376 00:18:13,149 --> 00:18:10,730 because he simply used this to boast 377 00:18:15,070 --> 00:18:13,159 about his powers even the CIA tested me 378 00:18:17,460 --> 00:18:15,080 or I was under investigation by the CIA 379 00:18:21,430 --> 00:18:17,470 and if you've ever seen the movie 380 00:18:24,519 --> 00:18:21,440 Mindbender and I've got a VHS copy 381 00:18:29,289 --> 00:18:24,529 about somewhere this is the story of Uri 382 00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:29,299 Geller it's uh well the up in fact there 383 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:39,430 picture of Uri Geller on the cover 384 00:18:44,139 --> 00:18:42,110 although it's an actor who plays him in 385 00:18:47,139 --> 00:18:44,149 the movie or Terence Stamp isn't about 386 00:18:50,830 --> 00:18:47,149 that from Ken Russell the acclaimed 387 00:18:53,919 --> 00:18:50,840 director of Who's Tommy and altered 388 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:53,929 states featuring the music of Elton John 389 00:18:58,330 --> 00:18:56,210 the moody blues and the bee gees Terence 390 00:19:02,019 --> 00:18:58,340 Stamp Priscilla Queen of the desert in 391 00:19:04,899 --> 00:19:02,029 mind bender inspired by the amazing life 392 00:19:06,999 --> 00:19:04,909 story of controversial uri geller I 393 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:07,009 wonder if it's on YouTube I'm gonna have 394 00:19:11,289 --> 00:19:08,210 a little look for that if it is i'll 395 00:19:12,759 --> 00:19:11,299 certainly link to the show notes now i 396 00:19:14,259 --> 00:19:12,769 haven't watched that myself in a number 397 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:14,269 of years but it's hilarious when you do 398 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:18,129 watch it it's um it's truly a bad movie 399 00:19:25,060 --> 00:19:23,450 but i must say that watching the first 400 00:19:29,879 --> 00:19:25,070 press conference in the Trump White 401 00:19:34,210 --> 00:19:29,889 House today the similarities there me 402 00:19:36,220 --> 00:19:34,220 the exaggerations the it's almost 403 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:36,230 speechless when when I when I think 404 00:19:40,289 --> 00:19:37,850 about this and normally the skeptic zone 405 00:19:45,460 --> 00:19:40,299 isn't political as you know sometimes 406 00:19:47,499 --> 00:19:45,470 but I guess we can call out strange 407 00:19:48,909 --> 00:19:47,509 behavior when we see it in that press 408 00:19:51,070 --> 00:19:48,919 conference from the White House today 409 00:19:54,730 --> 00:19:51,080 certainly ranks as strange behavior but 410 00:19:56,499 --> 00:19:54,740 getting back to this story so the CIA 411 00:19:59,139 --> 00:19:56,509 took great interest in uri geller in the 412 00:20:01,810 --> 00:19:59,149 early 1970s and if you want to know more 413 00:20:04,299 --> 00:20:01,820 about the adventures of Uri Geller I 414 00:20:05,889 --> 00:20:04,309 certainly recommend you'd read the truth 415 00:20:07,269 --> 00:20:05,899 about Yuri Geller the book by james 416 00:20:08,980 --> 00:20:07,279 randi i'll link to that on the show 417 00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:08,990 notes i guess you can get that on amazon 418 00:20:14,649 --> 00:20:12,110 ah that's a terrific book was one of the 419 00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:14,659 books I eagerly read though many years 420 00:20:19,690 --> 00:20:17,600 ago when I was really interested in what 421 00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:19,700 Geller was all about because I remember 422 00:20:23,860 --> 00:20:22,159 him myself from the early 1970s when I 423 00:20:28,330 --> 00:20:23,870 was only a little boy when he came to 424 00:20:31,899 --> 00:20:28,340 Australia and bent spoons on TV he was 425 00:20:34,269 --> 00:20:31,909 huge news and I've related this story on 426 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:34,279 skeptic zone before but I once had a 427 00:20:39,090 --> 00:20:35,170 conversation with 428 00:20:41,670 --> 00:20:39,100 late Simon Turnbull we form a present of 429 00:20:43,650 --> 00:20:41,680 the Australian psychics Association who 430 00:20:45,540 --> 00:20:43,660 was upset with me because I used to 431 00:20:51,150 --> 00:20:45,550 express my doubts so to speak in uri 432 00:20:54,450 --> 00:20:51,160 geller and he he was of the opinion that 433 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:54,460 uri geller couldn't be faked partly 434 00:20:58,800 --> 00:20:56,530 because the uri geller fit into his 435 00:21:02,340 --> 00:20:58,810 world view and in his worldview psychics 436 00:21:04,890 --> 00:21:02,350 were real and partly because and we hear 437 00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:04,900 this again and again he had seen it with 438 00:21:10,350 --> 00:21:06,640 his own eyes in other words he was at a 439 00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,360 performance by yuri gallup that close i 440 00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:12,880 would imagine in the first few rows if i 441 00:21:17,700 --> 00:21:15,520 remember correctly or even closer when 442 00:21:20,220 --> 00:21:17,710 you re gila bend spoons and since Simon 443 00:21:21,780 --> 00:21:20,230 Turnbull didn't know the trick and just 444 00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:21,790 assumed uri geller was telling the truth 445 00:21:26,370 --> 00:21:24,400 of course that convinced Simon Turnbull 446 00:21:29,610 --> 00:21:26,380 completely uri geller was the real deal 447 00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:29,620 and I remember that he and I appeared on 448 00:21:39,710 --> 00:21:32,080 the pilot for a chat show in Sydney many 449 00:21:44,730 --> 00:21:39,720 years ago was a Simon myself and say UFO 450 00:21:46,890 --> 00:21:44,740 investigator if I remember and I brought 451 00:21:49,230 --> 00:21:46,900 some spoons and I passed the spoons 452 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:49,240 around at the host to Simon to the UFO 453 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:51,490 investigator and I said please examine 454 00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:54,010 the spoons and I'd proceeded basically 455 00:21:58,290 --> 00:21:56,320 to do a uri geller in other words Simon 456 00:22:01,080 --> 00:21:58,300 gave me his spoon back after closely 457 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:01,090 looking at it and I proceeded to bend it 458 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:02,770 right in front of his face and it fell 459 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:05,170 into it's the old trick it's the old 460 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:06,730 spoon bending trick I've been doing for 461 00:22:14,090 --> 00:22:10,930 the better part of 20 years and I could 462 00:22:19,410 --> 00:22:14,100 see the cogs in Simon's mind turning 463 00:22:21,390 --> 00:22:19,420 ogor the gears seizing or something the 464 00:22:24,150 --> 00:22:21,400 expression on the face when you're met 465 00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:24,160 with this disbelief or you see something 466 00:22:28,020 --> 00:22:26,080 you can't possibly believe when I bend a 467 00:22:30,660 --> 00:22:28,030 spoon right in front of him and the same 468 00:22:34,410 --> 00:22:30,670 manner uri geller did it was hard for 469 00:22:36,270 --> 00:22:34,420 him to to comprehend and after the 470 00:22:39,150 --> 00:22:36,280 taping of the show I took him aside then 471 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:39,160 I said look Simon if anybody should know 472 00:22:45,780 --> 00:22:42,810 how this trick works it should be you I 473 00:22:48,540 --> 00:22:45,790 you deserve to know how the trick works 474 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:48,550 so you can't be fooled by it anymore 475 00:22:54,270 --> 00:22:51,250 and so I gave him a lesson I gave him a 476 00:22:55,740 --> 00:22:54,280 lesson in basic spoon bending and after 477 00:22:58,890 --> 00:22:55,750 the lesson he said well that's really 478 00:23:02,250 --> 00:22:58,900 good but that's the trick but when you 479 00:23:06,210 --> 00:23:02,260 Rogalla did it it was real there's no 480 00:23:07,860 --> 00:23:06,220 way you can go with that folks is it's 481 00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:07,870 one of those tough things is no there's 482 00:23:12,060 --> 00:23:09,760 nowhere you can go with that if somebody 483 00:23:13,230 --> 00:23:12,070 wants to believe so badly that even when 484 00:23:15,150 --> 00:23:13,240 they've learnt the trick they still 485 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:15,160 continue believing and when you know the 486 00:23:19,470 --> 00:23:17,050 trick of spoon bending and its many 487 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:19,480 variations when you see old videos and 488 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:20,770 there are plenty of them on YouTube of 489 00:23:25,220 --> 00:23:22,810 Uri Geller on various TV shows and 490 00:23:27,900 --> 00:23:25,230 public appearances doing spoon bending 491 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:27,910 it's a real facepalm moment because you 492 00:23:32,430 --> 00:23:29,650 can see the trick every time and you can 493 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:32,440 see exactly what he's doing and indeed 494 00:23:36,420 --> 00:23:34,690 if you take video stills of some of his 495 00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:36,430 spoon bending you can see even more of 496 00:23:42,090 --> 00:23:38,710 the the action he's doing to make it 497 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:42,100 appear spoons of bending but to get back 498 00:23:48,570 --> 00:23:45,610 to this story that these documents being 499 00:23:51,090 --> 00:23:48,580 released showing the extent of the CIA's 500 00:23:53,730 --> 00:23:51,100 investigations into uri geller now don't 501 00:23:55,910 --> 00:23:53,740 be too hard on those CIA investigators 502 00:23:59,150 --> 00:23:55,920 all those years ago over 40 years ago 503 00:24:03,570 --> 00:23:59,160 they were following up on a lead that 504 00:24:07,050 --> 00:24:03,580 well if it had been true would have been 505 00:24:08,940 --> 00:24:07,060 a huge advantage to to their cause and 506 00:24:11,250 --> 00:24:08,950 the same with the Russians if they were 507 00:24:13,020 --> 00:24:11,260 following up this sort of thing remember 508 00:24:15,180 --> 00:24:13,030 they were looking for any advantage they 509 00:24:18,660 --> 00:24:15,190 could there's a famous quote by James 510 00:24:20,370 --> 00:24:18,670 Randi who said that the CIA could have 511 00:24:22,140 --> 00:24:20,380 saved themselves a lot of money and just 512 00:24:24,090 --> 00:24:22,150 called him up for a nickel or something 513 00:24:26,340 --> 00:24:24,100 and he would have told him but it's 514 00:24:28,770 --> 00:24:26,350 interesting after all these years that 515 00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:28,780 uri geller is still making the news and 516 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:30,640 I'm sure he's pleased about that another 517 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:33,010 thing that James Randi said a couple of 518 00:24:39,210 --> 00:24:35,050 years ago on his tour when he was 519 00:24:41,250 --> 00:24:39,220 touring for the documentary and honest 520 00:24:42,780 --> 00:24:41,260 liar he said the most dangerous place in 521 00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:42,790 the world to be is between uri geller 522 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:45,520 and a camera now in recent years uri 523 00:24:53,490 --> 00:24:48,970 geller is certainly well he's never 524 00:24:55,230 --> 00:24:53,500 admitted that he was a showman he never 525 00:24:57,780 --> 00:24:55,240 admitted that spoon bending is simply a 526 00:25:00,130 --> 00:24:57,790 magical trick which needs a little bit 527 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:00,140 of time and patience to learn 528 00:25:05,140 --> 00:25:02,810 he certainly backpedaled a lot on on the 529 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:05,150 claims in fact I also know he's been 530 00:25:08,980 --> 00:25:06,850 appearing at various magicians 531 00:25:12,610 --> 00:25:08,990 convention so I think that gives you a 532 00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:12,620 clue there nevertheless if it wasn't for 533 00:25:20,140 --> 00:25:15,110 people like Yuri Geller I guess looking 534 00:25:23,260 --> 00:25:20,150 at this video again and see many VCRs 535 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:23,270 these days if it wasn't people like uri 536 00:25:27,970 --> 00:25:25,730 geller making all these outrageous 537 00:25:29,530 --> 00:25:27,980 claims in the 1970s maybe the skeptical 538 00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,540 movement wouldn't have started off in 539 00:25:34,350 --> 00:25:31,760 the way it did who knows so the last 540 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:34,360 thing we look at on the back cover is at 541 00:25:40,690 --> 00:25:38,090 the film's end uri geller himself 542 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:40,700 appears on screen and performs the 543 00:25:46,510 --> 00:25:42,650 first-ever interactive psychic 544 00:25:49,420 --> 00:25:46,520 experiment with a movie audience good 545 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:49,430 grief I don't even remember that it also 546 00:25:56,380 --> 00:25:52,970 says here Gellar's baffling deeds defy 547 00:25:58,840 --> 00:25:56,390 the laws of physics that's true and will 548 00:26:04,660 --> 00:25:58,850 intrigue both believers and skeptics 549 00:26:09,860 --> 00:26:04,670 alike intrigued yeah I suppose so I find 550 00:26:36,690 --> 00:26:09,870 the whole uri geller story intriguing 551 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:40,779 dr. Harriet hall md no into thousands as 552 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:43,850 the skeptic a retired family physician 553 00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:46,970 and former Air Force flight surgeon she 554 00:26:50,730 --> 00:26:49,039 writes about medicine so called 555 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:50,740 complementary and alternative medicine 556 00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:54,610 science hi curry and critical thinking 557 00:27:00,129 --> 00:26:57,679 Harriet now has a free course a series 558 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:00,139 of ten video lectures on science based 559 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:03,289 medicine and alternative medicine the 560 00:27:07,419 --> 00:27:05,330 videos and an accompanying course guide 561 00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:07,429 can be found by following the link at 562 00:27:18,210 --> 00:27:12,289 skeptic info or by visiting web Randy's 563 00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:18,220 org slash educational modules dot HTML 564 00:27:22,869 --> 00:27:20,649 topics covered in the series are 565 00:27:26,009 --> 00:27:22,879 science-based medicine vs. 566 00:27:29,399 --> 00:27:26,019 evidence-based medicine what is cam 567 00:27:32,590 --> 00:27:29,409 chiropractic acupuncture homeopathy 568 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:32,600 naturopathy and herbal medicine energy 569 00:27:37,899 --> 00:27:34,730 medicine miscellaneous alternatives 570 00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:37,909 pitfalls in research and science-based 571 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:41,200 medicine in the media and politics 572 00:27:46,509 --> 00:27:43,970 Harriet covers each topic in a matter of 573 00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:46,519 fact no-nonsense way that sure to 574 00:28:05,050 --> 00:27:50,520 educate and entertain skeptic dot info 575 00:28:05,060 --> 00:28:08,430 [Music] 576 00:28:14,260 --> 00:28:11,500 here's an update to the story on 577 00:28:16,180 --> 00:28:14,270 homeopathy in veterinary care we've been 578 00:28:19,330 --> 00:28:16,190 following for the past few months in the 579 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:19,340 UK ivette Danny chambers has been 580 00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:22,850 leading a push to help to stop stamp out 581 00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,240 remove delete eliminate exterminate 582 00:28:32,049 --> 00:28:28,880 homeopathy when it comes to veterinary 583 00:28:36,460 --> 00:28:32,059 care and this update comes to us from 584 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:36,470 vet times co uk published on the fourth 585 00:28:42,730 --> 00:28:40,490 of january by david woodmansee the Royal 586 00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:42,740 College of Veterinary Surgeons Standards 587 00:28:47,620 --> 00:28:45,440 Committee has announced it is to review 588 00:28:49,530 --> 00:28:47,630 the college's guidance on homeopathy and 589 00:28:52,990 --> 00:28:49,540 other alternative and complementary 590 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:53,000 veterinary medicines and therapies in a 591 00:28:57,010 --> 00:28:54,290 statement the Royal College of 592 00:28:59,200 --> 00:28:57,020 Veterinary Surgeons says the decision to 593 00:29:01,810 --> 00:28:59,210 review on the twenty-fifth of January 594 00:29:04,780 --> 00:29:01,820 has been made quite in light of a number 595 00:29:07,299 --> 00:29:04,790 of different factors this includes 596 00:29:09,370 --> 00:29:07,309 changes to the way that homeopathy is 597 00:29:11,740 --> 00:29:09,380 viewed by the National Health Service as 598 00:29:13,150 --> 00:29:11,750 well as a recent statement made by the 599 00:29:16,090 --> 00:29:13,160 advertising standards authority 600 00:29:18,340 --> 00:29:16,100 regarding its advice and guidance on 601 00:29:21,340 --> 00:29:18,350 claims made in marketing materials 602 00:29:25,150 --> 00:29:21,350 including websites about homeopathic 603 00:29:27,220 --> 00:29:25,160 treatments and quote statement be Royal 604 00:29:29,289 --> 00:29:27,230 College of Veterinary Surgeons set out 605 00:29:31,450 --> 00:29:29,299 its position on complementary therapies 606 00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:31,460 including homeopathy with the following 607 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:34,640 statement quote as the regulator of the 608 00:29:39,490 --> 00:29:37,250 veterinary profession we emphasized the 609 00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:39,500 importance of evidence-based veterinary 610 00:29:44,140 --> 00:29:41,840 medicine we recommend that there should 611 00:29:46,539 --> 00:29:44,150 be there for a cautious approach to 612 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:46,549 homeopathy for animals and that normal 613 00:29:51,159 --> 00:29:48,770 evidential standards be applied to 614 00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:51,169 complementary treatments we believe it 615 00:29:56,049 --> 00:29:53,809 is also essential that such treatments 616 00:29:58,270 --> 00:29:56,059 until they can be proved our 617 00:30:00,430 --> 00:29:58,280 complementary rather than alternative 618 00:30:03,570 --> 00:30:00,440 and that they are therefore used 619 00:30:06,610 --> 00:30:03,580 alongside conventional treatment however 620 00:30:08,830 --> 00:30:06,620 whatever views there may be within the 621 00:30:09,340 --> 00:30:08,840 veterinary profession it is clear that 622 00:30:11,230 --> 00:30:09,350 there is 623 00:30:13,090 --> 00:30:11,240 demand for some clients for 624 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:13,100 complementary therapies for their 625 00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:15,530 animals it is better they should seek 626 00:30:20,650 --> 00:30:18,080 advice from a veterinary surgeon rather 627 00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:20,660 than turning to a practitioner who does 628 00:30:25,390 --> 00:30:22,640 not have veterinary training end quote 629 00:30:27,310 --> 00:30:25,400 ready to cooperate a spokesman for the 630 00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:27,320 british association of homeopathic 631 00:30:31,090 --> 00:30:29,510 veterinary surgeon said quote we've 632 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:31,100 spoken to the Royal College of 633 00:30:35,260 --> 00:30:33,289 Veterinary Surgeons they're reviewing 634 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:35,270 their position on complementary 635 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:37,250 therapies but they're not looking at 636 00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:39,770 banning them so I think this can only be 637 00:30:44,409 --> 00:30:42,110 a positive thing as it stands at the 638 00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,419 moment the Royal College supports us and 639 00:30:53,409 --> 00:30:46,640 we have no reason to think that will 640 00:30:58,020 --> 00:30:53,419 change and that update comes to us from 641 00:31:00,850 --> 00:30:58,030 a vet x co uk by david would Nancy 642 00:31:03,310 --> 00:31:00,860 published in the fourth of January 2017 643 00:31:05,919 --> 00:31:03,320 this sort of story always reminds us 644 00:31:08,890 --> 00:31:05,929 that we're in this for the long haul the 645 00:31:11,260 --> 00:31:08,900 long road it's a journey it really is 646 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:11,270 things don't happen overnight things can 647 00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:13,730 be very slow to change and this appears 648 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:15,919 to be one of them but with people like 649 00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:18,530 dr. Dani chambers continuing his good 650 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:21,710 work to point out the ludicrous nature 651 00:31:28,539 --> 00:31:25,370 of homeopathy I think it's a journey 652 00:31:32,049 --> 00:31:28,549 worth taking but as far as homeopathy 653 00:31:34,750 --> 00:31:32,059 care for animals the writing's on the 654 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:34,760 wall one day that will be consigned to 655 00:31:47,230 --> 00:31:45,289 the rubbish bin of history virtual 656 00:31:49,630 --> 00:31:47,240 skeptics is a weekly web show in which 657 00:31:51,370 --> 00:31:49,640 we discuss the latest news in skepticism 658 00:31:54,190 --> 00:31:51,380 whether it's a new case of spontaneous 659 00:31:55,870 --> 00:31:54,200 human combustion a conspiracy theory the 660 00:31:57,940 --> 00:31:55,880 latest update on the upcoming robot 661 00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:57,950 apocalypse tech news for skeptics are 662 00:32:02,529 --> 00:31:59,840 the latest wacky religious claim we 663 00:32:05,470 --> 00:32:02,539 cover it all we record the show live as 664 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:05,480 a Google+ on-air hang out so join us and 665 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:07,610 our host Brian Gregory for an hour of 666 00:32:13,149 --> 00:32:10,130 mostly intelligent talk every Wednesday 667 00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:13,159 at a PM eastern US time watch us at 668 00:32:18,820 --> 00:32:16,159 virtual skeptics calm and participate in 669 00:32:21,730 --> 00:32:18,830 the show on our hashtag virtual skeptics 670 00:32:22,690 --> 00:32:21,740 the virtual skeptics it's like meet the 671 00:32:30,850 --> 00:32:22,700 press but with 672 00:32:33,610 --> 00:32:30,860 chupacabras and now direct from the cafe 673 00:32:41,170 --> 00:32:33,620 at Australia's science channel its 674 00:32:43,450 --> 00:32:41,180 brouhaha with Ben Lewis the best picture 675 00:32:45,970 --> 00:32:43,460 i've seen all day is a semicircle and 676 00:32:48,250 --> 00:32:45,980 three dots you've probably seen it to 677 00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:48,260 you it's the first images of Jupiter and 678 00:32:53,940 --> 00:32:50,510 three of its moons returned by Juno 679 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:53,950 NASA's gas giant orbiting spacecraft and 680 00:32:58,780 --> 00:32:56,450 naturally you're probably wondering what 681 00:33:00,580 --> 00:32:58,790 NASA be using these images for or 682 00:33:03,340 --> 00:33:00,590 probably the same thing that you and I 683 00:33:05,290 --> 00:33:03,350 will be to gaze wondrously act to be 684 00:33:09,220 --> 00:33:05,300 reminded that we're all star stuff and 685 00:33:11,950 --> 00:33:09,230 to change our desktop wallpaper yep Juno 686 00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:11,960 cam the high res visible light camera 687 00:33:16,780 --> 00:33:14,240 attached to do know is nestled amongst 688 00:33:19,510 --> 00:33:16,790 incredibly sophisticated and sensitive 689 00:33:22,150 --> 00:33:19,520 scientific equipment just to amuse you 690 00:33:24,190 --> 00:33:22,160 and me NASA is smart enough to have 691 00:33:27,010 --> 00:33:24,200 realized it's worth the expense and 692 00:33:29,710 --> 00:33:27,020 valuable real estate on Juno just to 693 00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:29,720 keep people supporting its missions we 694 00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:34,190 see what you're up to NASA and we dig it 695 00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:35,880 [Music] 696 00:33:40,930 --> 00:33:38,240 you're walking through the park and you 697 00:33:42,340 --> 00:33:40,940 see the cutest little dog ever he bounds 698 00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:42,350 up to you for a pat and you come out 699 00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:45,110 with hey puppy dog who's a good boy then 700 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:48,710 you yes you are later on you see your 701 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:50,690 friend with their newborn baby and you 702 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:53,090 realize you talk to the baby exactly the 703 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:55,460 same way you did to the dog and there's 704 00:34:00,010 --> 00:33:57,770 a good reason for that for babies it 705 00:34:02,170 --> 00:34:00,020 helps them learn language but for 706 00:34:05,020 --> 00:34:02,180 puppies a stupid high-pitched voice 707 00:34:07,510 --> 00:34:05,030 grabs their attention they respond more 708 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:07,520 than when we speak to them normally but 709 00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:09,410 the same trick doesn't work on older 710 00:34:14,110 --> 00:34:11,510 dogs they couldn't care less how we 711 00:34:15,730 --> 00:34:14,120 speak to them scientists say that when 712 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:15,740 we talk to something that can listen but 713 00:34:20,740 --> 00:34:18,290 can't respond we naturally change the 714 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:20,750 way we speak to it we use that daft 715 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:22,730 high-pitched voice to engage with them 716 00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:25,850 and it works so parents and dog lovers 717 00:34:30,910 --> 00:34:28,730 rejoice you might sound foolish but it 718 00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:30,920 could be the best way of talking to your 719 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:34,079 baby / fur baby 720 00:34:52,969 --> 00:34:37,450 for more brouhaha and Australian science 721 00:34:57,449 --> 00:34:52,979 head for ww Australia science TV as 722 00:35:00,599 --> 00:34:57,459 reported at skeptics com au a new 723 00:35:03,059 --> 00:35:00,609 Facebook page called stranger things 724 00:35:07,499 --> 00:35:03,069 down under has been set up to promote 725 00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:07,509 the quote exploration of Sydney's upside 726 00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:10,660 down the weird the wacky the wonderful 727 00:35:15,930 --> 00:35:13,089 from the woo you've always wondered 728 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:15,940 about to the museums and quirky 729 00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:19,450 experiences all with a group of fabulous 730 00:35:22,890 --> 00:35:21,430 like-minded skeptics end quote the 731 00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:22,900 Vandals of this page met through 732 00:35:27,539 --> 00:35:24,609 Sydney's monthly skeptics in the pub 733 00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:27,549 quote while skeptics in the pub remains 734 00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:29,200 an important part of our skeptical 735 00:35:33,449 --> 00:35:31,049 calendar we wanted to create a 736 00:35:36,449 --> 00:35:33,459 complimentary meetup for those of us 737 00:35:39,479 --> 00:35:36,459 craving a more interactive style of 738 00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:39,489 exploring woo from ghost tours to 739 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:42,880 spiritual fares from Reiki sessions to 740 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:45,249 Scientologists we're taking a closer 741 00:35:50,819 --> 00:35:47,890 look at the curiouser and curiouser 742 00:35:55,620 --> 00:35:50,829 anyway but they're quick to add that the 743 00:35:58,529 --> 00:35:55,630 strange things won't be just about whoo 744 00:36:01,079 --> 00:35:58,539 quote will also be planning trips to 745 00:36:03,390 --> 00:36:01,089 this train and power house museums star 746 00:36:06,569 --> 00:36:03,400 gazing at the observatory and attending 747 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:06,579 clever talks by big boffins and quotable 748 00:36:11,729 --> 00:36:09,729 the meetups will be casual events the 749 00:36:13,949 --> 00:36:11,739 organizers will it interested parties 750 00:36:16,799 --> 00:36:13,959 know in advance what the event will be 751 00:36:19,049 --> 00:36:16,809 and what time they'll be showing up and 752 00:36:21,449 --> 00:36:19,059 where you can find them stranger things 753 00:36:23,549 --> 00:36:21,459 down under will not be organizing group 754 00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:23,559 tickets or access at this stage so 755 00:36:27,989 --> 00:36:25,839 attendees will be responsible for their 756 00:36:30,689 --> 00:36:27,999 own tickets where applicable the aim of 757 00:36:33,329 --> 00:36:30,699 the meetup is to explore observe and to 758 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:33,339 have fun quote even where we disagree 759 00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:35,890 with the topic we encounter our fellow 760 00:36:39,210 --> 00:36:37,839 skeptics should be respectful 761 00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,220 open-minded end 762 00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:41,920 game in quote more info and registration 763 00:36:46,980 --> 00:36:44,320 for future events can be found at the 764 00:36:48,690 --> 00:36:46,990 Facebook page I'll provide a link in the 765 00:36:52,620 --> 00:36:48,700 show notes or just head to Facebook and 766 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:52,630 look for one word stranger things down 767 00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:56,650 under and we hope to bring you reports 768 00:37:03,300 --> 00:36:58,450 in the future of some of the adventures 769 00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:14,890 [Music] 770 00:37:29,060 --> 00:37:20,730 awesome awesome let's all take this with 771 00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:29,070 a grain of salt he's around ticket hello 772 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:31,560 i'm here with matt parker hi i'm at how 773 00:37:35,470 --> 00:37:32,730 you doing I'm all right I'm all right 774 00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:35,480 we've just finished the QED con 775 00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:37,470 conference as i'm sure you're about to 776 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:40,110 mention that I've been hosting so I'm 777 00:37:45,470 --> 00:37:43,170 exhausted but had a great time you're 778 00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,480 part of the Australian invasion of QED 779 00:37:49,730 --> 00:37:47,520 this year when dr. Carl had several 780 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:49,740 panels the new hosted it yes so despite 781 00:37:54,260 --> 00:37:51,450 the fact my accent sounds completely 782 00:37:56,030 --> 00:37:54,270 English yes he grew up in the Western 783 00:38:00,050 --> 00:37:56,040 Australia from Perth originally and I 784 00:38:01,940 --> 00:38:00,060 moved to the UK about 11 years ago well 785 00:38:04,370 --> 00:38:01,950 that's quite a while yeah while and I've 786 00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:04,380 never had a particularly strong accent 787 00:38:09,770 --> 00:38:05,940 to start with the men from Perth so 788 00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:09,780 that's better fairly Australia and I it 789 00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:12,270 was teaching mathematics to high school 790 00:38:16,370 --> 00:38:14,310 kids in London my accent changed pretty 791 00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:16,380 quickly to be understood and so now now 792 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:17,940 I still like this perhaps Australian and 793 00:38:22,810 --> 00:38:19,930 we had 794 00:38:24,340 --> 00:38:22,820 yeah look I just we spoke earlier about 795 00:38:25,780 --> 00:38:24,350 you know somebody said that your English 796 00:38:27,850 --> 00:38:25,790 because you've been here for 11 years I 797 00:38:30,490 --> 00:38:27,860 say after as long as you're successful 798 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:30,500 we we consider your australian exactly 799 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:32,330 it loves your successful and you 800 00:38:36,190 --> 00:38:34,010 originally born in australia or new 801 00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:36,200 zealand then you can be an australian 802 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:37,730 for those dealer yes that's how it works 803 00:38:42,490 --> 00:38:40,610 yeah i'm not less convicted of some yeah 804 00:38:44,620 --> 00:38:42,500 if anything is on earth let me do some 805 00:38:46,810 --> 00:38:44,630 massive scandal comes out about me and 806 00:38:49,330 --> 00:38:46,820 levy years then all of this would be you 807 00:38:50,830 --> 00:38:49,340 know but respectively you'll be coming 808 00:38:52,210 --> 00:38:50,840 nice you're becoming yes in the english 809 00:38:53,590 --> 00:38:52,220 i think you find it was English for 810 00:38:58,050 --> 00:38:53,600 about really you know she doesn't vary 811 00:39:01,870 --> 00:38:58,060 okay now you're asked to host this 812 00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:01,880 convention because you have a youtube 813 00:39:07,830 --> 00:39:03,710 channel list an ass and you do a lot of 814 00:39:09,580 --> 00:39:07,840 a lot of work around well maths maths 815 00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:09,590 popularization brought okay 816 00:39:13,930 --> 00:39:12,800 popularization of mass in particular can 817 00:39:17,020 --> 00:39:13,940 you tell us a little bit fellows 818 00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:17,030 virtually so my work is now an unusual 819 00:39:22,510 --> 00:39:19,510 combination of mass communication work 820 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:22,520 education work and comedy entertainment 821 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:25,130 work and so the reason I last long for 822 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:27,170 this was not specifically for my 823 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:28,850 education work with the fact that i 824 00:39:32,410 --> 00:39:31,130 enjoy skeptical things and I've been 825 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:32,420 involved in a lot of skeptics in the pub 826 00:39:38,980 --> 00:39:35,210 and and do it the topes and that kind of 827 00:39:41,650 --> 00:39:38,990 math see sciency logical side but also I 828 00:39:44,830 --> 00:39:41,660 work doing like comparing stand-up 829 00:39:46,210 --> 00:39:44,840 comedy work and so when they are cells 830 00:39:48,990 --> 00:39:46,220 like oh this is perfect oh this is like 831 00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:49,000 my dream job I get to show up and 832 00:39:52,060 --> 00:39:50,960 introduce a bunch of people and they 833 00:39:53,770 --> 00:39:52,070 come on stage and I get to watch the 834 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:53,780 talks and so I had a fantastic time I 835 00:39:58,210 --> 00:39:56,330 was practically on holiday I've got a 836 00:40:01,060 --> 00:39:58,220 free free entry to it to a conference 837 00:40:03,130 --> 00:40:01,070 that's right daddy I must say that you 838 00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:03,140 did a very good job well I just making 839 00:40:07,810 --> 00:40:06,110 sure it's yeah yeah yeah and can you 840 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:07,820 tell us a little bit about the about 841 00:40:11,830 --> 00:40:09,890 what you do in a YouTube channel in 842 00:40:12,910 --> 00:40:11,840 particular yes so I'm involved in a 843 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:12,920 couple different YouTube channels the 844 00:40:17,590 --> 00:40:15,050 one you mentioned or stand up mass which 845 00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:17,600 is the YouTube channel that's just me so 846 00:40:21,550 --> 00:40:19,310 it's me talking about bits of 847 00:40:23,890 --> 00:40:21,560 mathematics I think are interesting and 848 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:23,900 pretty much it and then I'm also 849 00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:25,370 involved if you're the channel so i'm 850 00:40:29,860 --> 00:40:27,710 probably best known from the numberphile 851 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:29,870 channel that i do with other 852 00:40:33,340 --> 00:40:31,850 mathematicians there's a bunch of us do 853 00:40:34,690 --> 00:40:33,350 and a lot of people this thing will if 854 00:40:36,430 --> 00:40:34,700 you've seen it you know i'm talking 855 00:40:38,170 --> 00:40:36,440 about it's beth was just talking about 856 00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:38,180 numbers and how much we love them and so 857 00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:40,160 including some australian like Simon is 858 00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,040 there a veneer is there I'm there and 859 00:40:47,110 --> 00:40:45,200 some even some Australians are over here 860 00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:47,120 in the UK are involved so there's a 861 00:40:53,230 --> 00:40:49,760 decent deal as always the mass 862 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:53,240 communication in the UK has a surprising 863 00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:54,530 number of Australians who have moved 864 00:40:59,770 --> 00:40:57,110 over here because it's easier to do this 865 00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:59,780 kind of work in the UK and we're kind of 866 00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:01,280 hung around and you know we're 867 00:41:04,780 --> 00:41:02,720 definitely evening wonderful because 868 00:41:06,250 --> 00:41:04,790 it's just started yep I mean really 869 00:41:07,810 --> 00:41:06,260 raining three people actually it's not 870 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:07,820 this is not here we outside so 871 00:41:14,170 --> 00:41:09,650 30-12 know it's actually not the 872 00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:14,180 Manchester type of rain it's its actual 873 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:15,710 rainy where you can see the drop yeah 874 00:41:22,180 --> 00:41:18,130 it's not like you're not just cheerily 875 00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:22,190 this is proper and now it's raining yeah 876 00:41:28,090 --> 00:41:25,310 interesting ok I see whether they excel 877 00:41:29,260 --> 00:41:28,100 time you mentioned earlier we spoke 878 00:41:31,450 --> 00:41:29,270 earlier and you mentioned that you're 879 00:41:34,990 --> 00:41:31,460 actually going to be touring Australia a 880 00:41:36,490 --> 00:41:35,000 steer so I come back to Australia for a 881 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:36,500 couple different reasons one is to visit 882 00:41:40,780 --> 00:41:38,930 my mom and my family who are all still 883 00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:40,790 of Perth so I going to see them I also 884 00:41:44,740 --> 00:41:43,250 come out for education shows so I'm 885 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:44,750 doing two things next year I'm out 886 00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:48,410 sometime around August to do shows in 887 00:41:53,050 --> 00:41:51,110 Sydney and possibly Melbourne or maybe 888 00:41:54,610 --> 00:41:53,060 some other places which are for high 889 00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:54,620 school kids we got those eyes were kids 890 00:41:58,030 --> 00:41:55,910 into theatre and a bunch of us do like a 891 00:42:01,900 --> 00:41:58,040 big mass extravaganza and then i'm also 892 00:42:03,340 --> 00:42:01,910 out doing a series of comedy shows so 893 00:42:05,410 --> 00:42:03,350 there's a snack comedian called Robin 894 00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:05,420 Ince and over into myself and a few 895 00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:06,609 other 896 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:08,529 fantastic that's the science 897 00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:11,170 communicators coming out and doing a 898 00:42:14,729 --> 00:42:13,089 suit shows we're definitely doing Sydney 899 00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:14,739 Melbourne of her what's it in 900 00:42:20,420 --> 00:42:18,609 Christchurch so how'd it be rounded out 901 00:42:24,450 --> 00:42:20,430 so do people find out about this thing 902 00:42:25,710 --> 00:42:24,460 so now I'm not sure because we're 903 00:42:28,049 --> 00:42:25,720 recording this before they've officially 904 00:42:30,569 --> 00:42:28,059 announced it so once they announced that 905 00:42:32,789 --> 00:42:30,579 they will then we put up online so what 906 00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:32,799 we need to do is go to Google or your 907 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:35,049 favorite search engine of choice and put 908 00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,410 in our map Parker Australia and then for 909 00:42:42,839 --> 00:42:40,720 safety Robin Ince and then it will bring 910 00:42:44,450 --> 00:42:42,849 up I don't know how they're going to 911 00:42:47,130 --> 00:42:44,460 announce it for the tickets online yet 912 00:42:48,539 --> 00:42:47,140 so it will be later but I'm listening to 913 00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:48,549 this that will have happened so Google 914 00:42:51,660 --> 00:42:50,049 being Australian you'll find a bit of 915 00:42:53,279 --> 00:42:51,670 way okay very good in there now how do 916 00:42:55,019 --> 00:42:53,289 people find out more about the kind of 917 00:42:56,220 --> 00:42:55,029 things you do on a regular basis what 918 00:42:57,870 --> 00:42:56,230 you want to do is type stand-up mess 919 00:43:00,120 --> 00:42:57,880 enjoy some two things i'm on twitter a 920 00:43:02,430 --> 00:43:00,130 stand-up maths i'm on youtube the 921 00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,440 stand-up maths and my website stand-up 922 00:43:06,539 --> 00:43:04,480 master ok now i'm fine i may say so 923 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:06,549 myself because i love max and i have 924 00:43:11,489 --> 00:43:09,249 full of maps and that the the channel is 925 00:43:13,229 --> 00:43:11,499 it's great fun I mean for people who 926 00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:13,239 love maths actually notice for everybody 927 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:17,710 who likes anything like that don't get 928 00:43:21,150 --> 00:43:19,690 them into Matt's is it's very fun why 929 00:43:24,029 --> 00:43:21,160 I'm like the videos about things I enjoy 930 00:43:25,230 --> 00:43:24,039 and so I feel people did you yeah thank 931 00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:25,240 you very much my pleasure 932 00:43:33,810 --> 00:43:27,510 [Music] 933 00:43:36,359 --> 00:43:33,820 also together hello on all a needle on 934 00:43:38,940 --> 00:43:36,369 solo scoffs of deployment been to an 935 00:43:43,410 --> 00:43:38,950 atlas another skeptic zone for weeds and 936 00:43:46,890 --> 00:43:43,420 swap and Katie Schneider I'm moving from 937 00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:46,900 RC Connor really been skeptics own funds 938 00:44:00,759 --> 00:43:49,440 TV 939 00:44:04,819 --> 00:44:03,319 thank you for listening to the skeptic 940 00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:04,829 zone and I look forward to seeing some 941 00:44:08,690 --> 00:44:07,200 of you a little over a week away now at 942 00:44:12,259 --> 00:44:08,700 Sydney skeptics in the pub with our 943 00:44:13,999 --> 00:44:12,269 special guest Tim Ferguson from the dog 944 00:44:16,839 --> 00:44:14,009 Anthony all-stars don't forget to 945 00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:16,849 register at meetup com forward slash 946 00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:20,670 aust a ust skeptics oh and speaking of 947 00:44:27,049 --> 00:44:23,339 Tim Ferguson and Maynard I noticed a new 948 00:44:29,269 --> 00:44:27,059 episode of a bunga bunga that's their 949 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:29,279 their podcast has just come out so if 950 00:44:34,279 --> 00:44:32,130 you go to Maynard com dot are you check 951 00:44:36,890 --> 00:44:34,289 that out for the new episode of bunga 952 00:44:38,989 --> 00:44:36,900 bunga now our on in the show I said I'd 953 00:44:42,620 --> 00:44:38,999 have a look to see whether the uri 954 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:42,630 geller movie mindbenders on YouTube it 955 00:44:48,049 --> 00:44:46,410 is it is but sit but it's in Hungarian 956 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:48,059 or something like that maybe you would 957 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:50,729 have better luck than than me coming up 958 00:44:58,279 --> 00:44:54,210 on next week's show I don't know hmm 959 00:45:00,049 --> 00:44:58,289 i'll have to ask a young yeah a psychic 960 00:45:03,410 --> 00:45:00,059 or a medium or somebody who can see into 961 00:45:04,789 --> 00:45:03,420 the future i hope i hope we have a 962 00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:04,799 report from one of our wonderful 963 00:45:10,849 --> 00:45:07,710 reporters Cassandra Perryman maybe it's 964 00:45:13,969 --> 00:45:10,859 a hint Cassandra mm-hmm Oh what about 965 00:45:17,180 --> 00:45:13,979 other wonderful reporters might send me 966 00:45:18,289 --> 00:45:17,190 a report for us all to enjoy I really 967 00:45:20,209 --> 00:45:18,299 don't know what's coming up on the next 968 00:45:22,459 --> 00:45:20,219 episode you'll have to all download to 969 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:22,469 find out and thanks to Sam Brenner for 970 00:45:27,739 --> 00:45:24,210 sending a little message to us he's from 971 00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:27,749 the Duluth Superior Area in the United 972 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:29,910 States and a son an area I don't think 973 00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:33,210 I've ever been to if i was there it 974 00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:34,680 would be the late 60s so i don't really 975 00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,900 remember it maybe one day I can go and 976 00:45:41,269 --> 00:45:39,359 visit that would be nice in fact the 977 00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:41,279 heat waves recently in Sydney I think 978 00:45:46,900 --> 00:45:44,609 I'd rather be in Duluth think I'd like 979 00:45:50,809 --> 00:45:46,910 to check that up but for now while i 980 00:45:53,569 --> 00:45:50,819 dream of duluth and the lovely cool 981 00:45:59,660 --> 00:45:53,579 crispy winter this is Richard cylinders 982 00:46:05,819 --> 00:46:02,069 you've been listening to the skeptics 983 00:46:08,759 --> 00:46:05,829 own podcast visit our website at wwc a 984 00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:08,769 petting zoo TV for contacts and archive 985 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:12,190 of all episodes since 2008 and our 986 00:46:16,789 --> 00:46:14,890 online store please support the skeptic 987 00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:16,799 zone by following us on twitter at 988 00:46:23,609 --> 00:46:19,990 skeptic zone liking us on facebook 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